This time in Strangerville, Eli talks about his grandma's (GMac) declining health, Meg is about to attend her family's hyper-competitive gingerbread contest, and former Survivor contestant turned public defender, Eliza Orlins, tells some stories about her career and television appearances. Listen on Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Survivor and Defender, by Eliza Orlins (music by Austin Moffa)

Production by Eli McCann & Meg Walter

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